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bryon52



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Location: Mississippi USA

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: vintage speakers and tube amps Reply with quote

I just aquired two Klipsch KG 3,5 mini towers and two Klipsch KG4's for the mains, What a difference using these effecient vintage speakers on tube outputs.Most of the new breed of new speakers are digital inclined.meaning high clip ratings and low effecienty so they can handel the high watts that high end recievers boast about. As Ian said these numbers are to suit the mfgs. and misslead the consumers.
But back to my experience the tube outputs are better matched to the quality vintage speakers of yesteryear.and Ian I now understand of the soudstage being to the rear as of to the front using tubes.Thanks for bending your ears.Do yourself a favor if on a buget watch e-bay and pick a pair of good quality vintage speakers to comliment your tube amps performance,Good luck and Good listening, Bryon Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great, I owned the KG4's for years and always enjoyed them, interesting design, still have my KG2's. Currently use the Mission 750's with the GF A-34 amp and GF CD-427.

I've been testing a lot of new speakers lately and there is something to be said for them as the tweeters are cleaner, but this whole tuned bass thing with small drivers still has my ears a bit confused.

I guess an audiophile will generally go for new and a music lover will generally go for old, which is what I do, grab some beer and hook up the Missions or Klipschs and crank the A-34 to 7. That said when I switch back to a new speaker the difference is very noticable, in a good way.

Thanks for the post, good to hear from you, had a great trip to China, lots of affordable new goodies.

Ian


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whistlepig59



Joined: 30 Aug 2007
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Location: woodstock, va

PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a pair of kenwoods kl-555z. i was very surprised at the difference of my denon and my vintage equipment going through them. the denon didn't have the low end that my other have. im running a yamaha right now. i am very pleased. i have got the pocket change to pick up some tubes yet. im trying though.
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ThatOldRetroStore



Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: Calgary, Alberta

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:38 pm    Post subject: Can't get too much vintage Reply with quote

I have long been a fan of vintage speakers, there is excellent value to be had. I have owned many of the classics including ESL-57, HPM-100, Tannoy, Goodmans, Bozak, Large Advent, NS-1000M, Magneplanar, the list goes on.
As a new dealer of Grant Fidelity, I look forward to trying the tube amps with all the speakers I can, but after demoing them with a pair of Tannoy Super Red Monitors, I'm not sure if I want to........

But we do have a set of KG-4 coming soon so I will be able to relate to you Bryon

Ken
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the question i have is can a tube amp push a speaker of lets say 86spl and 4 ohm if so how much wattage would be needed. and would it sound worth a crap?
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ThatOldRetroStore



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:02 am    Post subject: depends Reply with quote

All of the Grant amps have a 4 and 8 ohm tap so there should be no problem with most speakers. If you do have an inefficient speaker, like an 85-86 db speaker, then I'd suggest going with the higher power amps.

I've tried the A-534B with a pair of Chartwells which are a pretty hard speaker to drive and I found that the 10 watts were not enough. Paired with a set of 96db Altecs and the 10 watts is plenty.

What I've found is that with a tube amp, the volume goes up but it doesn't sound the same as when you turn up the volume of a SS amp. I think it's becasue it sounds better loud that you don't realize how loud it is.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when i built speakers i tried to keep them at about 91;but im selling epos they arent very effeciant. im also waiting on ians morels. i used morel tweeters in my speakers they are so fast. thank you for your advice.
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